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photoblog image Zyrynology: Searching For The Order In Chaos

Zyrynology: Searching For The Order In Chaos

Zyrynology: Searching For The Order In Chaos



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Me gustan, tienen atmosfera. Excelente viraje del negro.
vz-nostalgia: What does this "atmosfera" tell you, Armando? smile
Luxurious pattern! best...jerry
vz-nostalgia: My pleasure, Jerry.
  • Chris
  • England
  • 20 Nov 2009, 01:51
vz-nostalgia: In 1972 an American scientist Edward Lorenz published a short paper called "Does the flap of a butterfly“s wings in Brazil set off a tornado in Texas?", which became an integral part of the Chaos Theory and was known since as the "butterfly effect".
The order not only can be in chaos, Chris, it is inherently there, we are just not smart enough to see it. smile
  • Ginnie
  • Atlanta, GA, United States
  • 20 Nov 2009, 02:39
The first thing I saw, Viktor, was the back of a Uruk-Hai from the LOTR! Was there any order there, I wonder??
vz-nostalgia: smile Lord of the Rings? Oh, you are still a kid, Ms. Ginnie. smile Isn't it about time to switch to more serious literature? smile
  • Ray
  • Thailand
  • 20 Nov 2009, 02:45
The trend is vertical...the miscreants are few...order wins!

Damn!
vz-nostalgia: Not for long, Ray. First gust of wind and chaos restores its priority. smile
  • Suzanne
  • Canada
  • 20 Nov 2009, 07:32
..am finding the beauty in this dense jungle of light and shadows. This doesn't seem chaotic to me...just a different kind of order.
vz-nostalgia: Looks like you don't have to search for order anymore, Ms. Suzanne. You found it and you happily live in one. smile
Without chaos,order couldn't have been born. Why did you choose vertical and not horizontal version of this picture?
vz-nostalgia: smile
Delia: Without chaos,order couldn't have been born.
VZ: Ha. You are damn right, Ms. Delia. Someone famous once said "In the beginning was the Word" (I'm sure you know who said this smile), but we all know very well that in the beginning was Chaos, a primeal soup, so to speak, that gave birth to order. smile
Delia: Why did you choose vertical and not horizontal version of this picture?
VZ: Horizontal feels more stable and I wanted more of a chaotic and unbalanced feel in here. smile Why did you ask?
this makes me feel chaotic... and I don't like that feel
vz-nostalgia: Oops. I'm so sorry, Ms. Chantal. I guess I need to get your approval first, next time I post. smile
  • JS
  • United States
  • 20 Nov 2009, 14:12
“Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit”
vz-nostalgia: JS? Well, let's see. Jeff Stebar? Jimmy Smith? Jonathan Sonas? smile
Even though Henry Adams said this in reference to education of 19th century America, I think it could be justfully applied to many aspects of our current life. smile
  • Leisa
  • United States
  • 20 Nov 2009, 14:36
This reminds me of William Faulkner's south. Dark and decaying and mysterious. Tinged with tobacco.
vz-nostalgia: smile Like flags in the dust? smile It was the first novel of Faulkner that I've read. It was quite a challenging reading for young Viktor's mind. smile
on my 4th Victor so i ain't trying to do philosophy lol, but i will say what a peach of a shot this is m8, maybe a prefer chaos too much grin
vz-nostalgia: There is nothing wrong in preferring chaos, Tim, when it's organized. smile
I like the tones in this picture
Artistic

Boas
vz-nostalgia: Artistic tones... hmmmm... I've never heard of such a definition, Boas. smile
it's a trick.
there is no order in chaos.
there is no order in order, either.
just when the world comes in focus,
when one thinks they know,
one ceases to know.
vz-nostalgia: smile
Seraphine: it's a trick. there is no order in chaos.
VZ: even knowing this doesn't stop people searching for one, Ms. Seraphine. smile It is same as dreaming for the world without wars, liberty and equality for all. Everyone knows it's an utopian dream, but people still strive to achieve it. smile
Seraphine: there is no order in order, either.
VZ: You maybe right about this without even knowing it, Ms. Seraphina. smile There is always an element of self-destruction in the nature of order. As soon as it prevails, say, in the case of a totalitarian dictatorship, it starts its journey to a self-destruction, for a seed of chaos starts multiplying like a cell of cancer. All orders sooner or later fall victims to the virus of chaos. One might say that the world works by the law of pendulum: from chaos to order and back, and back again...
Seraphine: when one thinks they know, one ceases to know.
VZ: Could be true, but I think the realization of the fact that we don't know is much more important than to know. smile So many people fail with that. smile
  • terry
  • Nepal
  • 22 Nov 2009, 09:07
four possibilities:

state a - order in chaos, chaos in order.
state b - order in chaos, no chaos in order.
state c - chaos in order, no order in chaos.
state d - no order in chaos, no chaos in order.

no matter what the ultimate state of things, order wins. even in state c, chaos is the order. order wins.

we’re programmed to seek, achieve and promote order.

brilliant shot, thought and proposition, Vik. would love to know your response to the above. just to achieve some order myself tongue
vz-nostalgia: I'm sure a mathematician would have lots of fun with all four states you described, Terry, like State "A": O+C=C+O and so on. And I'm sure there will be some kind of an ultimate formula found at the end. smile
Regarding the notion that we all preprogrammed for order, you're maybe closer to the truth than you think. Looks like human societies, including primordial tribal ones, always tried to establish a hierarchy, which means establishing an order. The same we see in nature, from ants to lion prides to elephant herds.
  • k.a.
  • s.a.
  • 22 Nov 2009, 14:49
vz: Like flags in the dust? It was the first novel of Faulkner that I've read. It was quite a challenging reading for the young Viktor's mind.
k.a.: quite challenging because this young Viktor's mind was more or less chaotic..I just wonder myself... wink

and, terry, from a teacher's point of view two more states should be added (to have some 'order' in your multiple-choice question):
state e-all of above
state f- none of above (a-d)
and yes, mr VZ I'd also love to know your response now...just to bring some chaos to myself lol wink

ps.- by the way in your picture there is a pattern, which could reduce the chaos in there..all you have to do is to seek for it...(i think that is the reason of your caption, isn't it?)
vz-nostalgia: Young Viktor's mind was most definitely in a chaotic state, but Faulkner's Southern drawling style of writing was no help either. smile
K.A.: ...(i think that is the reason of your caption, isn't it?)
VZ: I see your mind is not in a chaotic state, Ms. K.A. smile as you came to a logical conclusion. smile
  • k.a.
  • s.a.
  • 22 Nov 2009, 14:59
the searching for chaos in the order...

'bring chaos to my life
scramble my mind
alter all the states
to feel I'm awake

my life is so squared
where all is stated
come take me in your chaos
to feel I'm alive' (k.a.)

ps.- this came to my mind after I posted my comment...
vz-nostalgia: I feel blessed that this wonderful gem of a little poem came to your mind, while you were looking at my photograph, Ms. K.A.
So many folks strive for order in their lives, while you strive for chaos. smile
aren't we all searching for order? sometimes chaos makes sense.
vz-nostalgia: We do, Ms. Toun. Sure, we do. The thing is, when we arrive to the point of order, we start getting bored and crave for chaos once again. smile
Nature isn't always Order? And Humans, Chaos? wink
vz-nostalgia: :
-Nature... is mostly chaos. An improvisation around the rhythm: night/day, summer/fall/winter/spring...
-Humans... Democracy is messy, but fun. Dictatorship is order, but boring, and always falls, sooner or later.
Hope this answered your questions, Ms. Suzanne. smile
Thanks for the answer wink I still think Humans Societies are messy and Nature... well... naturally meaningful tongue
Can I suggest a wonderful video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkGeOWYOFoA&feature=player_embedded

Hope you like it wink
vz-nostalgia: ah, what a wonderful video. Not that I understood all teh relationships between all those numbers. smile It's been a while since my last math class. smile I'll google him to find his other videos. Thank you, Ms. Suzanne. And yes, humans are messy by nature. smile
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